Thursday, October 18, 2007

Bulletin #6

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Anonymous said...

As reiterated before, acknowledging the value of other people's spirituality, does not equal to putting away evangelism, but in fact, further stressing the need for that.

Division as Jesus mentioned I believe happens when we truly obey what he calls us to do, love Him and love our neighbours. When we truly uphold things that matter; faith in Christ, freedom of conscience and worship, social justice, persecution happens.

Jesus must be kidding when he have dinner with the Pharisees, or worse still he drank water from the Samaritan!

Harrassing and indoctrinating our neighbours with our skewed perception of the gospel, is a worse admonition to Christ than "loving our neighbours" and that is no gospel at all.

Thureos said...

"As reiterated before," when Jesus dined with the Pharisees or spoke to the Samaritans, it does not constitute interfaith, at least not in its contemporary definition. He was simply preaching the basic message of the Gospel.

And I suppose that you must have stereotyped me as a hard-core fundamentalist, but no, I do not advocate force-feeding the Gospel down our reluctant neighbours' throats.

keropok lekor said...

Sorry if I appear to be labelling. That's not my intention. Creating a d

If we reject interfaith as in the definition that we have today, then what alternative do you propose when we deal with other religions?

I am all for the good ol' news. However there are few issues that need to be considered.

Can we preach without understanding the minds of our listeners? Can we assume to understand them if we do not "talk" with them? How can we correct their prejudices/misunderstanding if we do not "talk"?

Paul says, to the Jews he became like a Jew, to the Gentiles he became like a Gentile, to the weak he became weak, so that he may win some. Him, in becoming a gentile, does not mean that he disobeyed God's law. (1Co 9:20-22)

Thureos said...

As you mentioned before in regards to the stance adopted by those engaged in interfaith: the universalist, inclusivist and exclusivist. The problem with interfaith is that it is usually associated with the first two categories, where people try to seek common grounds between religions.

I certainly do not perceive it as merely coffee-and-tea chit-chat about one’s beliefs.
If you want to insist that Jesus and Paul engaged in interfaith, it is from an exclusivist point of view then. But as you mentioned before, exclusivist engagement in our country has the tendency into developing into Christ-bashing sessions. That doesn’t really qualify as interfaith as it defeats the original purpose of achieving peace, unity and the likes of it.

Is it not pretty impossible, if not hypocritical, for two parties who mutually perceive the other’s belief to be false (or even downright blasphemous) to sit down and find common ground between their faiths?

keropok lekor said...

You said "Is it not pretty impossible, if not hypocritical, for two parties who mutually perceive the other’s belief to be false (or even downright blasphemous) to sit down and find common ground between their faiths?"

Thanks for highlighting that. I wonder that even though the major tenets of their faith can be false, wouldn't it be good to listen anyway?

Possibly the concept of "finding common ground" can be be further clarified. I am yet to read Rowan William's thought on this since he would have represent a more orthodox perspective from Hans Kung.

Anyway, thanks for the mind-sharpening discourse, and all the best for your studies overseas :) Will be visiting your blog regularly for my healthy dose of satire.

Thureos said...

“Wouldn't it be good to listen anyway?”

And what does one stand to profit by doing so? The crux of the issue here is that present-day interfaith engagement is fundamentally erroneous. And if one believes that it is wrong, why insist on being a part of it?

Well, you have very well demonstrated the extent of your intellectual capacity. However, instead of resorting to reading up the works of a theologian or rationalizing when finding a solution to issues such as interfaith, remember first and foremost that prayer, a thorough study of scripture and searching of one’s heart and conscience is second to none. Christianity is, above all, a faith of spirituality. It is not one’s rational or intellectual depths that leads us back to God, but in simply possessing child-like faith.

Btw if you don’t mind me asking, which batch of AUSMAT are you?

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